Some
Questions concerning VRS
- Whether
VRS Idea is bolt from blue in BSNL?
No. This has been a talk
in the corridors of BSNL, DOT, GOM of ‘Congress Govt’ and the present BJP Govt and as per the various recommendations right
from Pitroda committee, BRPSE recommendations, BCG- Deloitte, BSNL Core
Committee and finally IIM Ahmadabad. VRS becomes part of the revival plan as a
measure of cost cutting expenditure on staff item. The present Govt has taken
the decision to pump financial support for VRS expenditure and so the realized VRS.
- Is
there any change in tone in communicating the decisions of cabinet between
PIB release and DOT OM?
Yes. DOT OM prioritise VRS
as its first item where as PIB has given 4G as its first item
- Whether
VRS decision can be stopped?
It is near impossible to
stop unless all refused in one tone- like a kind of non cooperation to avail
the offer.
- Whether
Trade Unions can give guidelines for wholesale acceptance or rejection of
the VRS proposals?
It is not possible to give
any ‘one size fit formula’. They can share and express their collective experiences
in various industries. But individual alone should take responsibility of
availing or unavailing the offer after knowing the details of the offer. TUs
would help them to understand the offer and the pros and cons.
- Whether
Trade Unions address the grievances of VRS optees?
Definitely, it is the duty
of TU to address the grievances / issues that the VRS optees are subjected to
face
- Whether
Gujarat Model is correctly followed in calculating the exgratia and
restricting the eligible exgratia?
Yes and NO. The
calculation was done as per Gujarat Model. But restrictive clause limiting the
eligible amount is not according to DPE guidelines. The eligibility amount that
they are proposing finally is less than Gujarat formula. They are managing to fine tune the exgratia by linking pension
of initial years in calculation and restriction.
- Whether
the concept of 125 % is based on any existing guidelines?
No. It is violation of
Existing guidelines restricting the eligibility criteria linking with lump sum
Pension. There is no concept like lump sum pension except the form of
Commutation. Exgratia payment is a lump sum concept. Pension payment is monthly
concept.
- Whether VRS optees get pension?
Yes but up to 60 years (without
commutation) full pension that is 50 % of your last pay after that according to
your availing of Commutation.
- Whether
deferring Commutation is as per any guideline?
No. It is violation of the
existing guidelines. One can postpone
upto the period of one year only
9.a Whether the family can
be given the benefit of 40 per cent commutation if a pensioner dies before
exercising option?
Since the commutation does not become absolute
in such cases the benefit cannot be given to the family
- Whether
Gratuity can be delayed or deferred?
Yes - but they have to pay GPF interest for the
delayed period but with the concurrence of Secretary GOI level. Action will be taken against those who are all
causing the delay. This one is the existing guideline.
- Whether
GOI is having right to modify the guidelines / rules of commutation,
Gratuity etc?
Yes, they are having right
to modify. But modification should be notified publicly before it is implemented .
- Whether
VRS is compulsory to those 50 and above aged employees?
No. It is voluntary and
availing the offer is as per the wisdom
of the individual
- Whether
Exgratia is to be paid by GOI/DOT?
No. BSNL will pay it in
two installments after getting money from GOI. DOT should seek that as
budgetary amount from MOF for this current year and for the next year. Exgratia
is guaranteed one as it has a backing and sanction of cabinet.
- Whether
VRS is good for the employees in the current scenario?
It is good and bad. Good
as they are going to be relieved from the day to day concern of BSNL, its
viability etc and they are assured of monthly Pension as per 37A. It is bad
because of the psychological pressure mounted to leave earlier to their date of superannuation from the organisation that has been dear to
them all along and it is a kind of assault on their Job security
- Whether
VRS is good for BSNL?
It is good and bad again.
It is good because as a loss making organisation it is being relieved from the
burden of higher staff cost. Even if 40 % of the targeted gone on VRS , cost
will be reduced to that extent. It is bad because, it is going to be denuded of
best and skilled manpower which one is need of the competitive environment. Danger
of more outsourcing would loom large.
- Whether
the conditions for paying pension for the absorbed employees – 37 A is applicable
to VRS optees?
Yes. But Govt/ BSNL should spell whether VRS optees
are being allowed to take VRS as that of sub
rule 11A of 37 A or as 8 of 37 A. As per
the DPE guidelines and as per DOPT guideline for Spl VRS for CG Employees the
compensation under VRS will be addition to terminal benefits.
- Whether
VRS optees are eligible for wage revision and pension revision?
Yes,
they are eligible. It is better to get assurance from the concerned
authorities. But as per DPE 20th July 2018 “ Arrears of wages due to
revision etc will not be included in computing the eligible amount”. This was
the stand of of DPE in earlier guidelines also. So no extra
exgratia if any wage revision.
- Whether
availing Commutation is a must at 60 years or 2024-25?
Not
necessary. If willing then they have to prefer the relevant form for that otherwise
they can continue with the same Pension as fixed on their date of VR as per VRS.
- Whether
Post VRS situation is tough to the remaining Employees?
Talks
may be like that by the management/ DOT/GOI. But as on date no change in service condition
is spelt either in Transfer rules or CDA etc.
- Whether
any new Manpower planning would be there after VRS?
There
may be chance for that to share the work load judiciously and they may try for even
distribution of manpower. Organizational structure may be changed.
- Whether financial viability will be
restored immediately after VRS as there are 4G market and reduction of staff
cost?
It
is difficult to give any assurance on the financial viability of BSNL
immediately after VRS. Assurance can be possible only when we find improvement
in revenues.
22. Why DOT OM dt 29-10-19 is
spelling 60 years as current retirement age? Is there any agenda for reduction of
retirement age to 58 years?
Intention
is not revealed transparently. Earlier Draft
Cabinet Note was having that 58 proposal but there is no official pronouncement
regarding this as on date - that is in the Cabinet note dt 22-10-19 whether any approval sought for the same - any
decision given is not known publicly.
- After
VRS Abolition of vacancies due to VRS?
Already
the GOI abolished all the posts while transferring the employees to BSNL on
absorption during oct 2000. In the case of Non Executives in 2003 itself all
the posts like SrTOA P stands abolished as and when they retire. In 2011 almost
19 cadres were declared as wasting cadres and their posts abolished as and when
they retire. Again now they are going to abolish the posts when VRS optees vacate.
- Whether 80000 /90000 in number is possible to avail VRS?
It
means a big ticket VRS- unless doubts are well clarified it is difficult to
implement. Even if 40000 availed VRS, it will be construed as a big victory for
the promoters and planners.
- Tax
exemption?
For
Exgratia IT exemption is 5 lakh
- Whether
wage revision is part of revival plan?
As
per the DPE Guidelines issued on 24-11-2017 ( 8th round for workmen) it is
spelt in para 2 iii " In those CPSEs for which the Govt has approved a
restructuring / revival plan, the wage revision will be done as per the
provisions of the approved restructuring/ revival plan only" It is not publicly known whether this
guideline was taken into account while approval was given by cabinet . It seems that DPE has given some
positive comment to DOT to examine the issue of 3rd PRC . But DOT OM issued
communicating the decision of Cabinet about revival was silent on this matter.
- Is
there any social impact because of
big number VRS?
Yes.
Studies on VRS are galore. Experiences are different. Making ‘working people’ idle will have its
own social effect.
More
questions may arise after seeing the order for VRS issued by BSNL. More light
can be seen once we obtain the cabinet note and approval copy. Let us hope for the best.
2-11-19
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ReplyDeleteGood elobration in each point
PL give guidance after tomorrow meeting with our minister any new assurances.
Very nice
ReplyDeleteConcept is very good in time . H SAMSUDHEEN
ReplyDeleteGood analysis, it is the need of the hour. Many doubts have been cleared. Remaining rest with the decision of Govt/CPSE /DOT/corporation.
ReplyDeleteGood analysis, it is the need of the hour. Many doubts have been cleared. Remaining rest with the decision of Govt/CPSE /DOT/corporation. - Ch.Chandrasekhara Rao, CS,NFTE,AP
ReplyDeleteHow are you.. thank you
DeleteVery nice analysis.GPF payment will be paid on date of vrs ?
ReplyDeleteThe Official communication as on date is not telling GPF would be deferred
DeleteWill PRC will applicable fir those who will opt VRS
ReplyDeleteThe answer is given kindly go thro
DeleteGood analysis on bsnl vrs.
ReplyDeleteWhether vrs is from DOT/BSNL service or only from BSNL service?
ReplyDeletecombined service would be taken for exgratia calculation
DeletePls clarify whether the offl can ask for repatriation to DOT, as the terms of corporatisation have been violated in the new schemes. Whether this violation can be challenged in court of law?
Delete2nd instalment in 1st quarter of next year means by June will entire exgratia payment be settled? How much tax after 1st 5 lakhs
ReplyDeleteIs it 30% tax after 5 lakhs??
ReplyDeleteIn the case of central govt.employee pension of retired person up to 31-12-2016 had already revised w.e.f.1.1.2017 but incase of BSNL the case is still pending how much time will take the govt to revised the pension of retiery of BSNL.
ReplyDeleteAs on date Govt stand is Pension Revision after Pay revision
DeleteVery Nice Sir
ReplyDeleteSir What would be the medical scenario after retirement it is must to know and clear all things because after the age of 50 most of the employees /families would depend on it Only.
ReplyDeleteWell done sir.A very good exercise.
ReplyDeleteIf possible publish in Tamil too
Sir What would be the medical scenario after retirement it is must to know and clear all things because after the age of 50 most of the employees /families would depend on it Only.
ReplyDeleteI have completed 58 years. Whether it will be benefit or not if I took VRS.
ReplyDeleteKindly calculate and decide as per your family condition . You only can be the best judge
DeleteIf financial upgradation of any employee is pending but is granted after 31/1/2020 , will he get arrear of exgratia ..or is there any move to settle such cases at the earliest, so as to enable them to take decision ?
ReplyDeleteyour pay as on the date of retirement will only be taken for calculating exgratia.. why it is pending
DeleteIf we opt for vrs at 52 years of age will the pension will start right after vrs.. plzz do reply
ReplyDeleteYes Answer given in the qn set
DeleteExcellent reply on each question. We may expect more after issued by BSNL
ReplyDeleteSir Good suggestions but I don't come to know whether leave encashment is taxable or not?
ReplyDeleteupto 3 lakhs exemption
DeleteLeave encashment for DOT period leave balance is FULLY tax free. Leave encashment for leave earned in BSNL is taxable for amount exceeding 3 lakhs.
DeleteAs it is proposed to pay the exgratia in 2 instalments, whether the exempted limit of 5 lakhs is available for 2019-20 and 2020-21 Financial years separately.
ReplyDeleteAs per Section 10 (10C) of the IT Act, 1961, any amount received by an employee of a public sector company on voluntary retirement is exempt up to Rs 5 lakh.You have to receive this amount in terms of a scheme of voluntary separation. As you have received Rs 6 lakh, you will be liable to pay tax on Rs 1 lakh. As per second proviso to Section 10 (10C), once this exemption is allowed in an assessment year, no exemption will be allowed thereafter to you in relation to any other assessment year.
Delete( This one was given by Economic Times Ap 19,2018)
Whether any union can challenge the company, in court, to pay exgratia as per Gujarat model Or left over service pay whichever is lower? which is as per DPE guidelines.
ReplyDeleteIt is upto individual to act
DeleteWhether proposed commutation of pension is calculated as per commutation factor on the date of VRS or 60 years?
ReplyDeletebecause it is not the fault of the VRS optee.
They will do as per 60 years- the next birth day factor
DeleteSir gd evng doj 01st october 2000 sir how much exgratia and pension amount i get sir,how much amount they are giving to the total exgratia 1st 2nd time and monthly pension.
ReplyDeleteKindly wait and check as per the official order
DeleteLeave encashment for the leave earned in DoT period is not taxable. However, leave earned in BSNL period is taxable and there is an exemption of 3 lakhs available on this also.
ReplyDeleteWhether 58 years retirement for BSNL /MTNL and 33 years of maximum service / 60 year retirement for CG employees are on the cards?
ReplyDeleteNo official communication. Govt is having right to modify
DeleteThanks for kind information pl. Also please intimate whether we got benefit of (non executive ) NEPP Promotion wef oct 2019 which is still due.
ReplyDeleteShould oppose the vrs as it will spoil bsnl because of leaving of well experienced team which is reqd by bsnl at this crucial stage.Outsourcing will not help.
ReplyDeleteI have 59 yarr complete service kindly advise me i getting vrs or not
ReplyDeleteI am completed 30 yr service & 10 years service remaining. Pl. advice VRS is beneficial or not?
ReplyDeleteSir,our E3-E4 upgadation pending since Nov.2018,whether it should be settled before VRS ?.
ReplyDeleteI have 36.8 year complete service and 4.4 year left kindly advise me I getting VRS or not
ReplyDeleteVery good analysis sir.
ReplyDeleteVery good analysis, point by point explanation cleared all the doubts. What about direct recruited employees who have no pension benefit. Is leave encashment is exempt from Income Tax for BSNL employees recruited after Oct 2000.
ReplyDeleteupto 3 lakhs
DeletePlease clear on provisional pension
ReplyDeletefor ex-gratia no tax as per kpmg
ReplyDeleteIf a person say xyx opted for VRS and due to some reason he will expired before getting 2nd installment of exgratia, then where the balance exgrasia to his family
ReplyDeleteKindly explain about leave encashment and it's disbursement.
ReplyDeletePlease provide vrs calculator
ReplyDeleteVRS Option is only for employees who attained 50 years age and above. Why not for all employees? Although it is voluntary not Forcible. I am imposing a stay on this Scheme.
ReplyDeletegood questions it is to given to all employees who get ex gratia as of this no PSU give exgratia and pension it is agift for BSNL MTNL cake and butter other pSUs no pension
ReplyDeleteSir, some employees say that VRS optees in BSNL can not apply for any leave from the available balance of leaves, till the remaining period up to 31.01.2020.
ReplyDeleteKindly clarify whether it is true or some sort of rumour.
FOR VRS OPTEES, AVAILING COMMUTED LEAVE, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF EXHAUSTING HPL IS RESTRICTED TO 3 DAYS ONLY., IN KTK CLE. LONGER COMMUTED LEAVE INVITES 2ND MEDICAL OPINION. ELSE SHOW PROOF OF HOSPITALISATION OF SELF. ULTIMATE IMMEDIATE EXIT IS MOST WELCOME BY THE WORLD'S MOST UNTRUSTWORTHY EMPLOYER AND THIS GOVT. EL UPTO 31.1.2020 IS WELCOME, AS THE LOAD ON BSNL/DOT IS REDUCED TO THAT EXTENT. EXOL WITHOUT MC IS NOT ALLOWED, AS IT IS, IN VRS NOTICE PERIOD.
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